Poor Unfortunate Podcast: A Disney Podcast For Grown Ups
Poor Unfortunate Podcast is an award-winning Disney podcast for grown ups where Disney is what we do…it’s what we live for! Join hosts Conor Perkins and Caroline Aimetti for a heartfelt and hysterical journey through a cycle of four unique formats: the Rant/Rave, the Showdown, Tips and Tricks, and the infamous Wild Card episodes. We’re talking about the movies that make us sob, the songs that still slap, and the characters that we would fight (or fight for). With scalding hot takes, behind the scenes tales, and thoughtful conversations, Poor Unfortunate Podcast is the perfect blend of critical analysis and casual fun that will have you laughing, arguing back, and getting your fix of that grown up magic. New episodes every other Monday – beluga sevruga!
Poor Unfortunate Podcast: A Disney Podcast For Grown Ups
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Hello, and welcome to Poor Unfortunate Podcast, where Disney is what we do... it's what we live for! We're the two besties you never knew you needed. I'm Caroline Aimetti.
Conor PerkinsAnd I'm Conor Perkins. This is a Disney podcast for grown ups because we believe magic gets better with age. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to all of our returning listeners and viewers. Thank you so much for coming back and joining us once again. And to any new listeners or viewers, thank you so much for hitting play. Please also remember to hit follow or subscribe wherever you're getting the podcast. And if you're watching on YouTube, opt in for notifications, ring the little bell. We'd love doing that. And then everybody, once we get to the end of the episode, or right now, if you're feeling it, hit five stars, leave a written review or a comment wherever you're listening or watching the podcast. It's one of the best things you can do to help us get seen search results. Push the podcast to some other people, all that good algorithm stuff. We would really, really appreciate it.
Caroline AimettiThank you. Thank you.
Conor PerkinsThank you. So today we have something really special for you. This happened very, very quickly and was kind of a surprise. And you know, sometimes surprises are the best. Actually, usually surprises are the best. And this one is kind of the best. So, Caroline, why don't you tell everybody what happened?
Caroline AimettiI would love to. So last night we were lucky enough to be invited to see Frozen that is currently playing at Paper Mill Playhouse in Millburn, New Jersey. And we had such a wonderful time. It is a beautiful, beautiful production. It is playing through January 11th at Paper Mill Playhouse. So if you can make the time, you should totally get there and see it. We loved every moment of it. And we just like love seeing Frozen on stage.
Conor PerkinsIt's so good.
Caroline AimettiIt's so good on stage. It's so good on stage.
Conor PerkinsWhat season is that? Season three?
Caroline AimettiYes, we have a perfect episode to pair with this. Option up. It's a two-part episode where we talk about the original Broadway cast recordings of Frozen and The Little Mermaid. So that would be a great pairing with this episode.
Conor PerkinsWhich is super ironic because Paper Mill literally has produced both The Little Mermaid and Frozen this year.
Caroline AimettiSo yes, and I got to see that beautiful Little Mermaid as well. Yeah, Paper Mill. Um, what should they do next? We have requests. We'll we'll be in touch. Um, but then to make it even better, today we are welcoming Todd Buonopane to the podcast. Todd plays Olaf in this production. And I think you're gonna be so delighted by this interview. He was an absolute joy and delight as Olaf. I just get all the warm, fuzzy feelings just thinking about his performance. And so he came on and chatted about the show, about Disney as we do, and we're gonna bring all of that to you. But before we jump into the interview, we want to give you his bio because he is booked and busy.
Conor PerkinsHe's done, he's done some stuff. He's done some stuff. So Todd is currently playing Olaf in Disney's Frozen at Paper Mill Playhouse through January 11th. Todd has appeared on Broadway as Jean-Michel in Cinderella. Which we love. We love Roger in Grease, which hey, I've done Roger in Grease as well.
Caroline AimettiHell yeah.
Conor PerkinsAmos in Chicago, and many characters in The 25th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee.
Caroline AimettiHe has also toured the United States in the play that goes wrong, Godspell, and Chicago, which he has also done in Dubai, Seoul, and Tokyo. Hello. His off-Broadway credits include Tartuffe, which actually just wrapped up, starring André De Shields, that looked incredible. Uh, The Butter and Egg Man, Henry and Mudge, and the New Yorkers at City Center Encores. His TV credits include The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Braindead, Grey's Anatomy, Law and Order, Criminal Intent, and 30 Rock.
Conor PerkinsSo, Todd, welcome to Poor Unfortunate Podcast. It's great having you here with us.
Caroline AimettiThanks for having me. Oh, we're so happy you're here. So, Todd, we actually, before we jump into like all the questions we have for you about Olaf, we'd wanted to tell you that we saw the show last night and you were so wonderful. Oh good. I'm glad you were there. So great. It was so magical. Like we just loved it.
Conor PerkinsI was like crying within the first like three minutes of it. I was just like, Oh my god, those two little girls. Those little girls are so good.
Caroline AimettiThey're unbelievable.
Conor PerkinsI have mutual friends with Hazel, I think her name is, who's young Elsa, because she's from Maryland. And so like there's the Maryland community, it's like very, very tight. So like we've got people who were like, Oh my god, Conor, you saw it? I was like, Yes, she was amazing.
Caroline AimettiThey were incredible.
Conor PerkinsGreat. She was Annie.
Caroline AimettiOh, that makes sense. Oh, oh my gosh, I thought she looked familiar. Okay, that makes so much sense.
Todd BuonopaneShe started opposite Whoopi Goldberg in Madison Square Garden.
Caroline AimettiSo she's like, I can do anything now. Whatever. It's amazing.
Todd BuonopaneAnd the other one, uh, Anjali is from like a little Broadway dynasty family, I guess. Because one day I said, Oh, what are you doing on your day off? And she goes, I'm gonna drop off my brother. And I said, Where? And she goes, Broadway. He's in MJ. Just like a little Michael Jackson in MJ. Oh my god.
Caroline AimettiSo cute.
Todd BuonopaneIncredible.
Caroline AimettiOh gosh, to have that life. I love that so much. Um, so we so we just wanted to tell you like you were absolutely beaming during the bows, and it just was like, it's just so wonderful to watch you up there. And so we wanted to know, um, just as a little intro, how has it been for you jumping into the world of Frozen after just having wrapped up your run in André De Shields's Tartuffe, which I'm sure was a very different thing. How has that been for you?
Todd BuonopaneYeah, I mean, I was playing the mean grandmother in that show. Um only play things very close to me. Um, it has been such a joy because I mean the show is beautiful and the people are the most fun ever. And the second day we had learned all the music and we sat down to do our read through, and I was so excited because I was like, oh, everybody here wants to have fun. And I feel like Frozen is one of those shows you see that you want to walk out thinking, oh, that cast was having the time of their lives. And we are honestly having so much fun. My mic is not on in so many like dance numbers where I am just talking up a story. I mean, Olaf is just talking to all the dancers, encouraging them to kick higher. I there's one girl that I'm always like, look me in the eyes and kick, you know, and she oh my god. Joy and fun is just spilling out to the audience, it's making it more fun, I think.
Conor PerkinsThey need to do one performance where they put your mic on. Just one mic on performance. One mic on performance. Oh, and I'll come back for that one.
Caroline AimettiYes, Olaf unedited. Absolutely. Oh my god. Well, it's so obvious. Like, you can't do that.
Conor PerkinsYeah, no, you can tell every single person up there is just having the time of their life. It's great. Beautiful.
Caroline AimettiAnd obviously, you know, we're a Disney podcast, so we'll get more into like the Disney of it all. But we also wanted to take this moment before we really get into the Frozen stuff too. Conor and I are both actors, we're both equity members, and we also want to thank you for your work as a counselor on Actors' Equity. So no, thank you. And we we've like watched your videos, like like breaking down just like healthcare. So before I get too, you know, into it, our audience has a fair amount of theater people in it. Um, but we also just, you know, you know, a lot of people listening are just Disney fans. So I was wondering if for a moment you could talk a bit about your work in Actors' Equity for folks listening who might not be as familiar with, you know, the actors union and and the work that you do.
Todd BuonopaneYeah, sure. I actually just before this, I ran, I was the chair of a two-hour meeting on touring. Um, you know, the actor's life, living my life all day.
Caroline AimettiThank you for being here today. Oh my gosh.
Todd BuonopaneWhat are you? Um I'm gonna go back in time. Yeah before actors' unions, the way that actors were treated was shocking. So, like the a show would be trying out out of town and it would fail. It wasn't going well, and then the actors would go to work the next day and the set would be gone. They suddenly their hotels weren't paid for anymore, they couldn't get home because the producers would cut and run. There used to be a time when we had to buy our own costumes if we wanted things to wear on stage. So I like to say if it wasn't human nature for the big guy to F with the little guy, we wouldn't need unions, but it is and we do. And I've worked for wonderful people. The people at Paper Mill are so lovely to us, but like Actors' Equity has really set the standard of how to treat actors and stage managers, and it's still a fight, you know, there's still a lot that we're fighting for, and um, you know, health care in this time we're in is really important. And I actually right before I got on here, I just uh paid my $300 to start my six months of health care on January 1st with the Actors' Equity Health Congress.
Caroline AimettiYes, honestly, congrats. Yep, yep.
Todd BuonopaneBut it's hard to achieve because health insurance is an evil. Um, but I'm really proud of the work I've done. I'm proud of working with the people that want to volunteer for their fellow members. And, you know, if you're in a union and you're unhappy with what's going on with the union, then get involved because you are the union. A union is only the people that are in the union, right? And there's always things to be frustrated with at work. But if you ever stop to think how they would treat us if someone wasn't creating rules for them to abide by, yeah, you start to feel a little better about it. But thanks for asking about that.
Conor PerkinsYeah, yeah. No, it's just such an important part, I feel like, of you and your story and like how we know you. So we wanted to make sure that it was included in here. Yeah. Okay. So now we'll move on to some of the Disney stuff because that's what we do. Um, first off, what level of Disney fan are you? Like how, how, how extreme are we going here?
Todd BuonopaneOkay, so I will never turn down a trip to Disney. Great. And I know how to get in free at any park because I just know people that work there. The problem is when you get in for free, you can't do any fast pass stuff. Right. Because you can't, it's not on the app. But I I can always usually find someone to walk me into a park because you know it is indeed an investment.
Caroline AimettiIndeed.
Todd BuonopaneVery much so. But like, you know, the Disney Renaissance starting with like The Little Mermaid, like I was the right age for being like, oh, this is what a musical is, right? And yeah, I mean, my favorite Disney movie as a kid, though, was The Fox and the Hound.
Caroline AimettiWho hurt you?
Todd BuonopaneWhat a good choice. Who hurt you? It's so sad, but the fox's name is Todd. And so You know, when you're a little, if something has the same name as you, you're like, my favorite. You're like, that's me. Oh, that's it. Yes. But I've tried to watch it recently and I'm like, this is so sad.
Caroline AimettiOh, I can't get through it at this age, I can't get through it anymore. That's on the shelf now. Yeah. Yeah.
Conor PerkinsNo, when you're the best of friends, like if that ever comes up in like a shuffle, I'm like, nope, we're skipping, we're skipping, can't do that one today.
Todd BuonopaneThere's so much death in Disney movies.
Caroline AimettiSo much. But I think it's made Disney fans like, I like to think like the very like empathetic and like sensitive people we are, maybe, right? Sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Conor PerkinsAre well adjusted.
Todd BuonopaneUh slightly. I don't know.
Conor PerkinsNo. Okay.
Todd BuonopaneBut I'm a good, I mean, I've already seen Zootopia 2. I'm a good Disney fan.
Conor PerkinsOh, you're better than two of us. You're the head of the two of us. So we we were too busy seeing Wicked five times.
Todd BuonopaneWell, I'm AMC A-list, so I see movies for free.
Caroline AimettiOh. Yeah. Great. Great. Oh, we're we're gonna get along just fine. I miss my AMC A-list so much, so much.
Conor PerkinsOkay. Um, so what were some of your first connections to both Frozen and Olaf? Like, do you remember the Frozen craze of it all?
Todd BuonopaneYeah, I mean, I remember seeing that movie, and well, Josh Gad and I worked together um in Spelling Bee. And he was such a love. We enjoyed each other so much, and he was really, really kind. And to this day, he's always we don't talk all the time, but if I when I text him or when he texts me, we like you know, we can like catch up with each other. And I think he's honest to God a good person, and I think he is so funny and weird. And what's funny is he had a hard time in Spelling Bee. The director gave him a really hard time, and I thought he was so great, but like you know, it's so fun to watch someone that's like pulling their hair out in kind of I mean, I don't want to say smaller because it's Broadway, but then suddenly get to Hollywood and be huge. And I mean the what he did with Olaf is just unmatched, right? And and once I I knew I was doing this, I was like, I'm not gonna watch him do it. I know Josh, I know what he did. I don't want to try to sound like him, but I don't want to try to not sound like him because kids have an attachment to Olaf, so you can't really invent reinvent the wheel, right? So I was just I can only be my version of what it already is. I actually think it's kind of when they try to like do anything with Olaf, I think it's tough for kids because they like Olaf is their favorite. The amount of Olaf dolls in that audience on a nightly basis. Oh my god.
Conor PerkinsI mean, it the the string and the merch stand of just Olaf, Olaf, Olaf, Olaf, Olaf. I was like, they are prepared, but you can totally see that in your performance. Like you can you can see the moments of like, how do I honor, you know, the legacy of Olaf, but also like have a have make it your own. So it's it's very, very apparent in all of that. And you know, the way that Olaf has been realized in most productions of Frozen, including at Paper Mill, he's a puppet, uh, and a full body puppet at that. Like it attaches to your feet. It has like the I from looking at it, it was like there's a center support that goes like down your back and like between your legs. Oh, yeah, and that like holds the middle part, and then there's the arms, and then there's the head. So like it's pretty involved. It hurts so bad.
Caroline AimettiOh, I was hoping that wasn't the case.
Conor PerkinsWhen I saw the metal rod like down the back between your legs, I was like, No, that doesn't hurt.
Todd BuonopaneWhat hurts is manipulating the head because puppets are usually this action. Yes, and this is this. So, like, um, this is great for a podcast, acting things out like that. But it's my we have video too.
Caroline AimettiThis is great.
Todd BuonopaneKind of make a claw, and then I lift my whole hand, and I now have like a superhero arm and a squiggly tot arm on the other side. I you can't believe the muscles I have in my right arm right now. And makes me sad because I always was like, I guess I'm just not prone to making muscles. It's just how my body was made, and I'm like, oh crap. And I actually were actually been in the gym every day. I might have grown muscles. Um what's your experience with puppetry? You know, not other than being maybe even more than a Disney fan, a Muppet fan.
Caroline AimettiOh, okay, great.
Todd BuonopaneYeah I mean, Fozzie Bear is my phone. My Scruff name is Wocka Wocka.
Caroline AimettiOh my god, there you go.
Todd BuonopaneYes, too much info, too much info.
Caroline AimettiOn here? Never, never too much.
Todd BuonopaneUm yeah, I mean, I they they used to say when people would audition for Avenue Q, they wouldn't even have them learn a puppet. They would just come in and see if they could move their hands and do "Purpose. It's that little flame that lights a fire on..." that, like some people have that instinct and some people don't. And so I've always had the instinct. I knew how to do it. But uh it's it's a journey, and like the the other thing is you can't articulate your feet. You have to walk flat footed because you have these poles with snowball feet coming out. So like my ankles hurt all the time. I'm also just old, so that happens.
Caroline AimettiI was thinking about that too, even getting around backstage. It's like you've kind of got like you've got to have like a clearance around you because you've got the feet and everything. Yeah.
Todd BuonopaneYeah. I mean, the the people have started to realize they gotta give me the right of way. Yeah. Like hide in a corner. I mean, Sven is worse Sven takes up-
Conor PerkinsYou and you and Sven. Yeah, I was gonna say, you and Sven. Yeah, so where did you where did you start with your approach to Olaf? Like what I know you kind of talked about this with you know, honoring the Josh Gad, the idea of Olaf that kids have, but like in terms of putting yourself into it, where did you start?
Todd BuonopaneI mean, I think you have to think that these little kids invented this idea, right? And so while being like just bursting with love for these two sisters, which he is, he's also like has almost the humor of a child, right? And it's kind of the like because they invented him, they're he's gonna be the funniest thing a child could come up with, right? And so, like, that's just like it is a child's sense of humor, but it's weird because I feel like adults get that it's a child's sense of humor, so the adults laugh at it too. Yeah, you know, sometimes you see a kid's movie and it's just to make kids laugh, yes, but Olaf somehow isn't that. I I I get two very distinct kinds of laughs in the show. I get the kid laugh and the adult laugh. And the um, and I kind of sometimes I like one more than the other, you know. Sure. Sometimes when we do a matinee and there's a lot of kids, sometimes they tell them, be quiet, behave. And I'm like, no.
Caroline AimettiYeah, we were talking about that yesterday. Yes, yes, I so agree. Well, when you said when you said Samantha yesterday, you got me good. I enjoyed the hell.
Todd BuonopaneI was so happy because we were like, we're gonna gamble on this, and 60% of the audience won't get it.
Caroline AimettiOh my god, how could it? I'm kind of like, how can you be there and not know the Samantha joke? But I love it.
Todd BuonopaneMy friend Courtney came the other night, who's like a big Broadway star, and she and I, this is way too old for you guys, but we have always loved the show Who's the Boss?
Caroline AimettiUh-huh. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Todd BuonopaneDuring Tony Danza.
Caroline AimettiYeah.
Todd BuonopaneAnd she thought I put that in there because Tony Danza would always go, Samantha. And I didn't say it like that. But she's like, I can't believe you made a Who's the Boss joke in the show? And I'm like, what are you talking about?
Caroline AimettiIncredible. I love that it works on so many different levels. Amazing. Oh my God.
Conor PerkinsSo when you were talking about like Olaf at his root, he's coming from these the imaginations of these two little girls, these two children. So you've got the song, you know, um, "a little bit of you, a little bit of me," Olaf's a little bit of Anna, a little bit of Elsa. What do you think he took from each of them?
Todd BuonopaneWell, I mean, I think I think they they both have an enormous amount of love, but I think the Elsa that had to kind of go away was the sister that would do anything for her sister and just wanted to like make her sister happy. And and then the Anna without I mean Anna's the biggest kook, right? She gave me my big bouncy butt. And like I I I I mean, I think there's crossover there that they both start to find, but like it's weird that Else is the love and Anna's the kook, and then Anna's the one that like gives up her life for her sister. Oh my god, I'm gonna cry. Do you guys know how much you know it's I like cry during the show? Like Todd cries, and I'm like, oh, you can't wipe your tears when your hands in a puppet.
Caroline AimettiOh my god, that's totally the pull quote from this. Yes, it's very moving. It gets me every time. Every time.
Conor PerkinsUm, and I honestly in the the stage version, the stage version has what I always wanted the the film version to have, which are those like moments with Elsa after the the freezing moment where Anna where Anna's frozen that being musicalized is just like so so so lovely to just like sit in that for a little bit. Yeah, and how good are our Anna and Elsa?
Caroline AimettiOh my god. It is perfect, like perfection.
Conor PerkinsYeah, it is wild.
Caroline AimettiWe were like, we were like gripping each other so hard every time you and them opened your mouths.
Conor PerkinsIt's just yeah, it was the whole cast, everyone is insane. Like I just have Daniel as Kristoff, and you have Sam Gravitte as Hans.
Todd BuonopaneIt's perfect. First time he walked into rehearsal and looked at me, I was like, oh, I can't look him in the face. He's too pretty. He's too pretty. He's too pretty. Not fair. Your friend Mark that plays Weselton.
Caroline AimettiThat like we talked about him so much after the show. Yeah, born for the role.
Conor PerkinsAnd then he has his little music moment, and I'm just like, sing, sing, sing, sing, go off.
Todd BuonopaneHe has more probably credits than anybody in the show. Look at his look at his bio. Oh, we did. He was in the original Mamma Mia kids. Yeah, like whatever.
Conor PerkinsHe uh just he just completely, I was like stealing every single scene he was in. I was like, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. But okay, last thing I'll say on this sort of like crafting Olaf thing. So he's got a little bit of Elsa, he's got a little bit of Anna. What's the little bit of Todd that's in there? Oh, jeez. Um besides a possible Tony Danza joke, but not actually.
Todd BuonopaneYou know, I am very much a rule follower, except when I'm not. And he really brings out the naughty in me. And like, I think like I love that. And I think that's part of why I like talk through all the dances, and I'm just talking to the dancers. And there was one point where they do this, like in "Hygge," they do this dance with the cops, kind of like kind of like Gaston and yeah, yeah. And one of the dancers was like, Todd, this is really hard for me. Can you stop talking to me? I was like, oh sure, totally, totally. But like, I am like there's like a sense of naughty that it brings out to me. And like the way he's like, he picks on Kristoff a little bit. Yeah, he does because like his commitment is to Anna and he doesn't know about this guy yet. Um I don't know. It it feels like I am such a rule follower. I am always looking out for people's feelings, and I feel like I get to get out this other side of me with him.
Caroline AimettiI love that.
Todd BuonopaneI love that. That's fantastic.
Caroline AimettiWell, speaking of what you were talking about earlier as well, I your performance was was kind of the first time I started thinking about Olaf's age because of that, like very childlike. There was this one line, the way you delivered, Oh, you're hugging, that made me kind of go, like, oh yeah, like what where is Olaf's mind when it comes to love? Like, obviously, he he understands love very deeply, but is also very childlike about it in other ways that you made so evident in that line. I thought it was hilarious.
Todd BuonopaneI mean, I think that's the only way to deliver that, right? Right? Like, because you hear the kids go, they hear the kids giggle because, like, like two people that aren't related hugging, what? Like, that's a big oh yeah. Um, by the way, when you said I started thinking about Olaf's age, I'm like, what? Cause I'm old.
Caroline AimettiNo, not at all, not at all. We were gonna be friends. No, we're still gonna be. I swear you're gonna come out of this and we're gonna be friends. Um, I promise. Um, no, you because he lived in this very because the why the wise part of him was obvious too, and that I kind of always put Olaf in like the more childlike land, but there is like a wisdom to him telling Anna what love really is that made him be like this almost like otherworldly, like ageless kind of thing that I don't know, something about the way that you were playing it really brought out to me.
Todd BuonopaneThanks. I think he doesn't have the complications of a human life, right? Like he doesn't have a lot of experience, so he is young, but like of course I know what love is.
Caroline AimettiRight?
Todd BuonopaneBecause and it he's kind of born out of what was in these kids' heads when they were little kids, and none none of the junk that has happened since then. Yeah, yeah. So, like, yeah, I feel like as human beings, it's good to grow up and learn. But like, I I mean, as actors, do you ever think about like how fearless you were when you were a kid? I would just like get up and make my fourth grade class, and I'm like, we're gonna sing this song. And I just didn't know to be scared. Yeah, you know, and as we get older, there's so much inside of us that tells us we that we should be scared. This isn't gonna work, this isn't, you know. And so I think the the bravery of being a kid also is is in him too.
Caroline AimettiYeah. Wow, you're kind of touching on, we'll have a question for you about it later, but like the deeper themes of why we wanted to do this podcast. This is it's going too well. It's going too well.
Todd BuonopaneOh no.
Conor PerkinsAm I a host now?
Caroline AimettiI think this is it.
Conor PerkinsWe're just you love the Muppets, you've got, you've got the knowledge.
Caroline AimettiWe're good. Um, I wanted to say too, speaking of the kid, the, you know, the kids' reactions to Olaf, I think one of my favorite character entrances in any musical is Olaf's because it's like everyone's kind of you forget that you're waiting for him because the show is so entertaining and so fun. But then there's that sense of like somebody's missing and it's Olaf. And there is always, every time I've seen it, and it happened last night too, there's always this like coup that goes through the audience when Olaf finally walks on of just like delight. Um, and I want to know, first of all, if you can hear, if you can hear that when you come on. Um, but if there are any other moments where you've really heard something from the audience that like of them responding to Olaf, probably children. But I want I reacted as an adult too, so you never know.
Todd BuonopaneI mean, my first performance of it, and like sometimes I'll get like entrance applause, and sometimes I just get cooing too. But um, that first performance, they like lost their minds. And I had to stand there and like Anna and Kristoff had to hold, and I literally had to say, Don't cry, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry. Because like it's just like, because it's not about me. I'm not like, they're not like Todd's here, but they're like to hear like an unadulterated like love for a sweet character is just really beautiful. I was so moved by it. Yeah. I mean, the other stuff I love, and it happens rarely because people are told to behave, is uh winter's a good time to stay in and cuddle, put me in summer in Albia. And it's really fun when they talk back, when the kids, you know, and like there was one, like someone a little older went like uh happy snowman so loud that I almost went, That's right. I have but I couldn't from like the balcony didn't hear him, so I'm like, I can't really address it.
Caroline AimettiSo oh my god.
Todd BuonopaneOh it that stuff really gets me.
Caroline AimettiAnd what a perfect time of year to kind of be having those moments too.
Todd BuonopaneJust like everybody at a point in my career where I just want to have fun. Let me just be in the show, a fun show with fun people and make people smile.
Caroline AimettiYeah, speaking of going back, I that's probably why we all started doing it in the first place, right?
Conor PerkinsYeah, you know, but no, like I I had that moment sitting there, and with the Christmas trees that are on lit up on the side, like before the show started, I'm like, oh, it is so right to see Frozen right around Christmas time. I'm like, this just feels it just feels correct.
Todd BuonopaneYeah, everybody's doing it right now, and I'm so happy because it wasn't a success on Broadway, it didn't sell well. I think they just spent too much money on it.
Caroline AimettiYeah, yeah, yeah.
Todd BuonopaneI don't know the ins and outs. I I don't want any show to close. Yeah, but um but I'm I'm happy that it's turned into this thing that's playing everywhere, and like people from the Rawway team have come to see us, and it's been lovely. Oh, that's fantastic.
Conor PerkinsSo thinking about that original production of Frozen and now this version that you have here at Paper Mill, so what what do you find that is unique to this production of Frozen?
Todd BuonopaneYou know, well, it's also a half an hour shorter. You know, I I have a lot of friends that were in that Broadway production, and it was stressful. You know, like Disney hadn't had a hit since Aladdin, and they were putting a lot of eggs in this basket, and I think it was, I don't, I don't think anybody acted poorly, but I think it wasn't fun. I have a lot of friends that were in it that and we from day one were just like if we're laughing, they're laughing. Right? If you found out that like Tom Hanks was not having fun in the studio while recording the Toy Story movies, you'd be so upset.
Conor PerkinsMortified.
Todd BuonopaneYeah. So it's just I I mean, I know it's so it's all I keep saying, but like we get excited to do the show every night. Like Sammie, who plays Anna, we did the matinee yesterday, and I didn't see her before she started. I didn't see her until I came on, and she's like, I don't like this. We gotta we gotta talk, we gotta hug before the show. You can't just come on stage and that's the first time I see you. It's just I get really excited to see the people in the building. And and I I I just think it makes a big difference. And I think the people that did it on Broadway were lovely. I just think it wasn't, and I'm speaking completely out of turn, but I think it wasn't allowed to be joyful because it was so stressful.
Conor PerkinsYeah, there's a lot of pressure on it. Yeah. So what about the story of Frozen? Kind of thinking more big picture. Do you think resonates with audiences specifically now? Like, why do you think this is getting produced so much? And why do you think it should be getting produced?
Todd BuonopaneI mean, the basic theme that we are we turn the true love on its head, you know, with the love of the sisters. No woman needs to be rescued, and like Anna finds love, and Elsa learns to love herself, and then they both are willing to sacrifice themselves for each other, and I I just think we're in a tricky time of the world, and to just see people that are just willing to give of themselves for someone else they love, and it's not romantic love, it's just family love of a person, and I don't think there's a lot of stories like that, and uh I'm especially in kids' stories which tend to be simplistic, and um I mean, even seeing Zootopia 2, not to give it away, but I'm like, those two main characters are I think a man and a woman, a rabbit and a fox, but they're there's no attempt to make them romantic counterparts. Yeah, they're they're just friends, they're good to each other, and it's I don't know, I just think that's really low. It's people that a lot of the story is them struggling to learn how to be good to each other in both these stories, so yeah, and the songs rock, they're so good.
Conor PerkinsThe music is great, and honestly, I'm like the music in the musical, I the added stuff is so good. "Dangerous to Dream" gets me every single time. Oh, yeah, "Monster."
Caroline AimettiI everything the ensemble gets is just so good too. That's what we were gonna ask you next. It's really going, it's perfect. We were gonna ask you what's the song? I mean, maybe it changes. What are you like bopping along to backstage? Like, what can what song can you not resist?
Todd BuonopaneI to be honest, I love colder by the minute. When they're like when like the also our "Colder by the Minute" is so good that like it's so good, it dance, they are dancing their face.
Caroline AimettiThat's what I was saying. I said I was like, everybody is pointing their damn toe.
Todd BuonopaneAbby Lee Miller would be prowed, like but like, and then the the the like uh Anna and Elsa and Kristoff and um and Hans have all those interjections, and Elsa has that one, "Iiiiiiii caaaan't" and it's I'm like, we are making children gay when she sings that episode. Yes, so good.
Conor PerkinsYes, I was hearing I was hearing things in your "Colder by the Minute" that I haven't heard when I've seen it done other places. Yes. I was really hearing, and maybe this is also because I low-key kind of missed the song, but I was really hearing Anna's "True Love" parts. Oh, yeah for the the little bits because that's all we have left of that song now.
Todd BuonopaneYeah, we know I miss it, but like they had to make it shorter, yes, they did. Make I mean somehow Lion King is a bit of the exception of like turning something into what two and a half, three hour musical. And I think that just because there's so much artistry thrown at that, and it's kind of its own thing, but I don't I think the kids start to get bored if we go too long. Sure, sure, sure.
Caroline AimettiThey were all like locked this, this did feel like the right amount of time for them. They were all like very locked in to like the flow. I felt it. Yeah.
Conor PerkinsAll right. So thinking of Todd career now, do you have any bucket list Disney characters that you would like to play, whether they're existing or not yet written for the stage?
Todd BuonopaneOh, I don't do you know what part has eluded me like crazy? And it's not even that I'm dying to play it, but I was like offered Cogsworth at the Cogsworth. I knew you were gonna say that.
Caroline AimettiI was gonna say it. I was like, tell me it's Cogsworth.
Todd BuonopaneI was offered Cogsworth at the Muny, and then I couldn't do it. I wasn't free. And the Muny is the best job ever, if you've ever heard of the Muny and St. Louis. It's the best job ever. And I can't believe I had to turn it down. Um, and since then, I cannot book Cogsworth. It's the Cogsworth course.
Caroline AimettiOkay, we have to break that for you.
Todd BuonopaneWe're gonna break that for you. But like, I'm not even, I'm like, I don't need another heavy costume.
Caroline AimettiFair enough.
Todd BuonopaneFair enough. I mean, my dream, my ultimate dream would be to do something with the Muppets. I think I I don't know if I would be able to control myself. I think I would like I have friends that like got to do appearances on Sesame Street, and they're like, it's really hard to just not start crying.
Caroline AimettiOh my god.
Todd BuonopaneBut when it's attached so hard to your childhood in that way, it like it like digs down deeper than anything you know. Like, I feel like I can talk to Meryl Streep, but if I run into someone that I was a fan of when I was a kid, I'm like, I can't do anything.
Caroline AimettiThat happened to me last week. We did, I was in a Muppet Christmas Carol concert, and Bear from Bear in the Big Blue House was in it. And I just was like looking up at Bear, like I couldn't, I could not even handle myself. All the pictures on the colour.
Conor PerkinsThere are pictures of Caroline. Yeah, she you look like a child. I could not believe it. It was unbelievable.
Caroline AimettiI totally agree. Yeah, I I mean, and and ever since you know Rob Lake closed, I think everybody's talking about like the Muppets need to be like the stars of the show.
Todd BuonopaneYeah. Yeah, they yeah, I heard that the mistake.
Caroline AimettiWe need them to be the star of the show.
Todd BuonopaneYeah, they weren't yeah, well, they they've like tried things before, they did developmental things with the Muppets, but yeah, I'm just looking forward to the Cole Escola Miss Piggy movie.
Caroline AimettiOh my god.
Todd BuonopaneGonna be unreal. Yeah, it's so incredible. I don't know how to live up to what I want it to be, but I think it will.
Caroline AimettiI think it cut. Oh my god.
Conor PerkinsIt truly will. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Caroline AimettiUm, we have another overall career question for you, kind of zooming out a little bit. Do you think there is any, you know, speaking of your character you just played in in Tartuffe as well, do you think there's any kind of through line connecting the characters you've played? Or if they like, you know, if they all sat down and had dinner together, what do you think they would be talking about? What would that be like? Jeez, wow.
Todd BuonopaneUm, I will say most of what I play are amiable people. You know, I'll play like a Nicely Nicely in Guys and Dolls, uh done that a ton, and his name's Nicely Nicely. I'll do like a Marcellus in The Music Man. I do a lot of people that maybe not always the sharpest tools, but like they are there's a certain joy they carry with them. What was fun about Tartuffe is I never get to play mean. I'm and when I lived in LA, I would go in for like gay assistant, snarky gay assistant, and they're like, you're too nice for that. And you put a tiara on me and call me grandma, and suddenly I'm a real bitch.
Conor PerkinsUm, okay, we have an explicit rating.
Todd BuonopaneAnd um, I don't know. I mean, that was really fun. I mean, but even this summer, I played someone who was a murderer, but he was the nicest guy in town. And so, like, I have the kind of face that everybody walks up to me and asks me for directions.
Conor PerkinsYeah.
Todd BuonopaneI'm the safest looking person to them, and they will just I'll be in another country and people will push by to ask me. And I'm like, I don't speak this language. Um, so I don't know. I think I I think I've played a lot of like amiable people in people that like to make jokes or people that are the butt of the joke. You know, um, yeah. I don't know.
Caroline AimettiNo, no, that's a great answer. That's a question. No, you were cooking there. No, I like that. That's a great answer. What a question.
Todd BuonopaneRight.
Caroline AimettiI love that tonight. You can come back and you can give us your final answer if you think of something else.
Conor PerkinsUh, so one of the things that we talk about a lot on our podcast is uh the sort of like grown up magic and connecting back to the things that brought us joy when we were younger, uh, or anything that just makes us feel like magic is real. So, like we just did a whole episode about wicked for good and how much that just was I felt like so much magic was happening there. Both of us really did. And so I'm I'm wondering for you, like what. Where do you find grown-up magic now? Where do you find places that hearken back to something that where you were younger or something that is just like special and beyond words?
Todd BuonopaneI mean it's what I do for a living, right? I I think I I dress up and I play pretend. And I think that's why I do that. I always say that like the when I figured out I couldn't catch a ball, my mom let me audition for like the children's theater performing troupe. And you walk in and you're like, oh, these are my people. I went to um theater camp growing up, Stage Door Manor in the Catskills.
Caroline AimettiOh yeah, baby.
Todd BuonopaneSeven summers, baby.
Caroline AimettiOh yes.
Todd BuonopaneBack then the owners used to say that they would have the staff like raid the costume storage and like dress up like people and stand around pianos and just do sing-alongs the day all of the campers were arriving. Because this is to give away my age a little bit, before the internet. And the we theater dorks didn't know how to find each other. And they said when we got to like walk into like the main area and people were just like standing around singing all these musical theater songs, they would say you could see kids really take their first breath, you know, because they just feel safe and they're amongst people that get them. And so I I mean, it's one of the greatest joys of being of doing what I do is all of my best friends are people I met doing this. You know, even if they're not actors, you know, my best friend's a company manager, my best friend's a stage manager, and we're all just kind of in this world of making silly little plays. And uh, you know, it means we don't totally ever have to grow up.
Conor PerkinsYeah.
Todd BuonopaneBut we still need insurance.
Caroline AimettiYeah, that always puts a damper on it a little. But that that made me really emotional. I love thank you for sharing that story.
Conor PerkinsYeah, I definitely felt like there were a lot of I don't know. I felt like there were some kids who like, you know, took that breath last night, like when we were there. There was this little girl who was behind us, and God bless her, she was all decked out in her outfit, and "Let it Go" started, and she began to sing completely on pitch the whole time. On pitch the whole time. She had it, she was confident, and she sang the whole thing, and it was just like such a surreal experience where I'm just like, this is incredible to see Mary Kate Morrissey, who is like technique for days, and this this little girl behind us, and she's just they're just vibing. Something unlocked, and this girl little girl is just no inhibitions whatsoever. She is just here in the moment. Like it was really, really special.
Todd BuonopaneCan I tell you something special about "Let It Go?" Um, the ensemble has these backup vocals that they sing backstage, and we very quickly they all have to like stand around like uh a conductor's monitor where they can see the conductor and it's off stage left, and none of the principals sing. But we all come out at that moment and do what we call the "Let it Go" rave, where they all we all just like dance around while the and like I'm in my 40s, right? So I'm like, but I'm like, it's just because we want to have fun. And like I'm like, I keep saying to myself, I'm like, every every once in a while, I'm like, I'm tired, I'm gonna stay in my dressing room. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Keeping something fun is a choice. So that's another pool quote.
Conor PerkinsThat's another pull quote.
Caroline AimettiYes, oh my god, my God, we're gonna have to turn these into t-shirts. Also, yeah, you're like, oh, I'm bopping to "Colder by the Minute." Meanwhile, there's a "Let it Go" rave happening every night. Oh my God. I'm so glad I know that now.
Conor PerkinsYeah, at my funeral, there needs to be a "Let it Go" rave.
Caroline Aimetti"Let it Go" rave.
Conor PerkinsIt's required.
Caroline AimettiUm, so we're going to wrap up this little interview portion of this. We're gonna play a little game with you after. Don't worry, it's a simple, you can't get the game wrong. Um, but we always like to ask everybody a few rapid fire basic Disney questions. You already told us your favorite movie. Are you submitting The Fox and the Hound as your favorite Disney movie? And that can be the answer for today. This is these are today's answers. Great. Yes, yeah, yeah. Okay, excellent choice. Favorite Disney princess.
Todd BuonopaneI'm gonna say Rapunzel because I think Tangled does not get it does not. We're all about crazy deserved, it does not. And and I think she's like, I love that the princesses got weirder in recent years, and I think she's a bit of a weirdo. And I'm sorry, when she cuts that hair short, I'm like, oh, you figured it out. Yeah, it's your look. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Caroline AimettiYou know how much I wanted to chop my hair after I saw that movie? I was like, this has gotta be my look too. Absolutely. That's a great I love the weirdo princesses too. Okay, favorite today, Disney song.
Todd BuonopaneOh I think it has to be something that Howard Ashman wrote with Alan Mencken. Um I'm just gonna say "Belle," the opening of Beauty and the Beast. Can't go wrong with it. I mean can't go wrong with that. I just think that like they they gave us Little Mermaid, and then they were like, we're gonna give you a sophisticated Broadway opening. Yeah, a Broadway musical. Yeah, yeah. Where we meet a bunch of the characters, we know how how everyone feels about the main character. It is sophisticated and thrilling. And "Marie, the Baguettes, hurry up," you know.
Conor Perkins"I need six eggs, too expensive." "Those fish, they smell."
Caroline AimettiOh my god. The what the line that nobody ever realizes is there is "those fish, they smell" "those fish, they smell."
Conor PerkinsThat's one of my favorite ones.
Caroline AimettiWhat's that?
Conor PerkinsIt's it's almost it's at the very, very, very end where all of the layers are happening. So, like when Gaston's singing and Belle's there, there's there's like "those fish, they smell." It's fantastic.
Todd BuonopaneI want to be that I want to be those fish they smell.
Conor PerkinsI want to be, I want to be those fish they smell, and I want to be the little nightstand that has the baseball bat in the fight scene uh in the film.
Caroline AimettiThey do feel like they would be all one track. Speaking through lines, like, yeah, those are all one track, yeah. Great. Okay, favorite Disney villain. Ursula, correct. Yeah, great. You passed the episode.
Todd BuonopaneWell, she is the gayest, and like you want your villains to be fun and not too, too scary. I I take a I don't quite like how scary she gets at the end of the movie, but like but like, you know, like Scar gets too scary for me, and like Maleficent gets too scary for me, you know. But there is a little bit of a a drag to Ursula that I'm like, okay, I'm more comfortable with it.
Conor PerkinsYeah, there's a level of fabulousness where you're just like kind of like I wonder if she did get her way. Would the world really be so bad?
Caroline AimettiYes, yeah. So she's having so much fun that like how bad could it really go, right? Bad.
Todd BuonopaneI mean, but let's be honest, the best villain song in terms of musical theater, which was completely inappropriate for us as children, was "Hellfire" in Hunchback.
Caroline AimettiI basically done an entire episode on that.
Todd BuonopaneHow dare they put that in a cartoon?
Caroline AimettiWith some of those visuals hopping out of the fire, I don't know what was going on, but I mean I love it. Yeah, yes.
Todd BuonopaneWe grew up fast, watching that.
Caroline AimettiAbsolutely. Absolutely. And great. Our final, our final of this rapid fire, now that we know that you are experienced with the parks, what's your favorite parks attraction?
Todd BuonopaneOh. I I'm just gonna say what I always loved as a kid was Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Go straight to the water. Speaking of hell, yeah, speaking of hell. You go to hell.
Caroline AimettiYou go to hell, baby.
Todd BuonopaneBut like I, you know, my sister would be like, let's go here. I'm like, we gotta do Mr. Toad's. But the first time I ever went to Disney, I was eight years old, and we walked in just at the beginning of the day, and I said, Well, we gotta see a show. And they're like, Well, there's no show for a while. And I um and I said, Well, where's the show gonna be? And they're like, It's behind the castle. And I sat on the ground for three hours until the show started. Because I was like, I've gotta see a show.
Caroline AimettiOh, we all would have understood each other as children, and we all would have understood each other so well as kids.
Todd BuonopaneThe other thing I must tell you is that back in the day, I sat in the audience of the new Mickey Mouse Club.
Caroline AimettiOh my gosh.
Todd BuonopaneYou know, like Britney and Justin. Justin? Yeah. And it was when it was the MGM Studios, you could like, it was connected to there, and you could like there was no like online. You had literally had to go and say, like, are there tickets? And there were. And I found out I got tickets, and I made my mom tech take me back, I think I was 12, take me back to the hotel because I wanted to wear my stage door t-shirt on.
Caroline AimettiBecause I was gonna ask you, did you want, were you watching, like, why am I not up there? Why am I not in the Mickey Mouse Club?
Todd BuonopaneI mean, I never thought I was cool, and those people are cool. But um, but the the and part of it is I was such a good laughter, and the camera caught me laughing so many times that they would play me in episodes for the rest of the run, laughing, and all the kids in school would be like, How many times you go to the Mickey Mouse Club? I'm like, I was just there once.
Conor PerkinsThat's iconic.
Todd BuonopaneThat is funny for me. Yeah.
Conor PerkinsHonestly, they should have like done sort of like the Friends situation with uh with what's his name? The the Barista. What's his name? Oh, where um all of a sudden he became like a featured thing. Gunther, yes, Gunther. Yes. Like you were you're the Gunther of Gunther of Mickey Mouse Club Mickey Mouse Club.
Caroline AimettiOh my god.
Conor PerkinsThat's goals.
Caroline AimettiFeatured laugher. That should be on your resume. Yes.
Conor PerkinsIs that that's that should be in special skills.
Caroline AimettiFeatured laugher.
Todd BuonopaneYeah, there you go. I mean, meanwhile, also invite me when you're in a show because I'm the best audience member.
Caroline AimettiOh my god, great to know. Oh my god.
Conor PerkinsI do laugh. All right. So in our last couple minutes that we have you, we're gonna play a quick little game, and this is a little superlative game. So it's who's most likely to blank. Okay.
Caroline AimettiSo we will give you who's most likely to do this, and you tell us which character from Frozen would be the most likely to do this thing. Okay.
Conor PerkinsThere's no wrong answers on this one either. So like no pressure. Okay, I'm still nervous.
Caroline AimettiIt's whatever your soul tells you. Yep.
Conor PerkinsHere, we can take a group breath real quick, ready?
Caroline AimettiWe're here to have fun. Yeah.
Conor PerkinsFun is a choice. Having fun is a choice.
Caroline AimettiHaving fun is a choice. Thank you.
Conor PerkinsI'm literally putting that on a wisdom I have injected into your pocket.
Caroline AimettiI'm I'm telling the oh my god, we don't we're gonna be like, we don't even have to look for anything to pull. Thank God. This is gonna be so easy.
Conor PerkinsAll right. So which character from Frozen is most likely to clap when the plane lands?
Caroline AimettiThe things we make people do on this podcast. I think Anna.
Conor PerkinsYeah. Yeah, that's a clapper.
Caroline AimettiThat feels right. Yes.
Todd BuonopaneAnd I think she cheers people on.
Caroline AimettiAbsolutely. Yes.
Todd BuonopaneYes, yes, supportive.
Caroline AimettiExcellent. Which Frozen character is most likely to be late for their own birthday party?
Todd BuonopaneAnna.
Caroline AimettiYeah, I kind of had that thought too.
Todd BuonopaneI kind of had that thought too. She's late for the coronation. Right, right, right.
Conor PerkinsWhich character from Frozen is most likely to write a memoir?
Todd BuonopaneOh. I'm gonna say, I think that like in an attempt to like redeem himself, he would write a like what I've learned that Hans would like write like how he became the person he was, and now how he's better.
Caroline AimettiOh, yeah. The cover would totally be him, like it would be him, like you know, like.
Conor PerkinsI almost thought you were gonna say Olaf, and I was like, Olaf writing a memoir would be wild.
Caroline AimettiYeah, it would be wild.
Conor PerkinsBest selling.
Caroline AimettiI don't remember much, and then I was here basically. Like I was disappeared.
Todd BuonopaneThere's no way I could operate the hands to have him hold the pen anywhere. There you go.
Caroline AimettiRight. Okay, which character from Frozen is most likely to have the highest screen time? Who's scrolling?
Todd BuonopaneOh. Oh. Well, I mean, let's be honest. If you gave Olaf a screen, he would never look away. Yeah. He'd be one of the things that I'm gonna do. He could be an iPad kid.
Caroline AimettiYeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's right. Yeah.
Conor PerkinsWhich character from Frozen is most likely to survive a zombie apocalypse? Elsa. Yeah. Yeah. That's true.
Todd BuonopaneShe'd freeze him.
Caroline AimettiYeah, yeah. I know we said there are no correct answers, but some of these there are.
Todd BuonopaneYeah, that's correct.
Caroline AimettiYep. Okay. Which character from Frozen would be most active in the group chat? Oh. Yes. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Conor PerkinsWhich character from Frozen is most likely to forget to mute themselves in a Zoom meeting?
Todd BuonopaneUm okay. I'm gonna throw in, I'll throw in a I'll throw in a weird one. Weselton.
Caroline AimettiYes.
Todd BuonopaneYes. Because I think he'd be in the meeting and then he'd be like, I hate this guy. And oh, and not realize he didn't mute him when he was talking to him.
Caroline AimettiYes. And I feel like he usually would have somebody to do that for him. So he wouldn't really know. Yeah, he would know how to do it. Yep. It's great. And this is the last one. Okay. I promise. This is the end. Uh, which character from Frozen would be the most awkward gift opener? What does that mean? Like, you know what? Everybody's watching you open your gift. That's hilarious. You know what? It's maybe it's a me thing. I think it might be a good one. You know, everybody's watching you open your gift, and you're like, you have to react and like be like, oh, I loved it. And who is just so uncomfortable with everybody watching them?
Todd BuonopaneOh, right. Okay. Okay. Well, then I think it's I think, and we haven't said him yet. Let's say Kristoff. Yes.
Conor PerkinsOh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Todd BuonopaneYes. Because he's like a bit of a like he's a like strapping, lovely, wonderful man, but he's like a socially a little bit off.
Caroline AimettiAbsolutely.
Todd BuonopaneHe has a little bit more trouble than some.
Caroline AimettiYes, that's so true.
Conor PerkinsThat's very true.
Caroline AimettiYeah. Wow. Thank you for indulging us with that. Yeah, thank you.
Conor PerkinsWe we we love doing like little games and things like that.
Todd BuonopaneSo have you ever heard the the cut song uh from Kristoff in Frozen 2? "Gotta Get This Right?"
Caroline AimettiYes. Yes. That's so good. Why did they that should have been it? A lot of the cuts. I'm very into the cut stuff from Frozen 2. Very into that. Yes.
Conor PerkinsI'm also just generally into Frozen 2 so so much. Yeah. So so much. Okay. Like that's also like why we love the Samantha call out. That's one of the reasons why I loved like I grabbed Caroline when we saw Elsa's "Let it Go" costume. I was like, oh my gosh, I love how much white is in this as opposed to like the teal because it's it feels like it gives a little bit of the the fifth spirit in Frozen 2 moment. I was like, I'm like, this is this is feeling super fun. So I any anything Frozen two, I'm like, I'm there for it. I'm there for it. What about Frozen 3 coming?
Caroline AimettiOh my god. Frozen four. Yeah.
Conor PerkinsOh, really? There's gonna be two more at least.
Caroline AimettiThey said okay, good. Yeah, yeah.
Conor PerkinsLook out, James Cameron. This is gonna be the new Avatar.
Caroline AimettiYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's another thing. Todd, thank you so much. Especially knowing you're in the middle of the show, but knowing everything else you're doing with Equity, thank you so much for taking the time during this holiday season and all of this run to do this with us. We loved the show so much. We loved you in the show so much. To everybody watching and listening, you can see Frozen at Paper Mill Playhouse through January 11th. And we really hope that you do, because it is a delight.
Conor PerkinsAnd Todd, how should people stay in touch with you or find you or find what you have going on? Oh, what a question.
Todd BuonopaneI had a wonderful Instagram, and then Meta decided I did something wrong and wouldn't tell me what it was, and took my Instagram and Facebook away, and I filed an appeal, and they said it would take 24 hours, and that was six months ago. And so I don't know how to get my social media back.
Conor PerkinsOkay, listeners, this is what we're gonna do. We are going to at Adam Mosseri, we're gonna at all of these people, and we are going to get Todd's Instagram back.
Caroline AimettiOh my God. Do you feel free in any way? Do you feel good because of social media?
Todd BuonopaneYes. Like I pick up my phone and I'm like, oh, I guess I'll just do a New York Times game instead.
Caroline AimettiWow. Um better for my brain.
Todd BuonopaneOr I just look at Scruff. There you go. There you go.
Caroline AimettiAbsolutely freaking Lulley. Well, we we also we found your website. So we'll also link your website for everybody if they want to. Yep, yep, yep. So we'll do that. And we will um, whatever we do to the Meta gods, which I don't even want to call them that, but yeah, crazy. It's crazy, right? Oh my gosh.
Todd BuonopaneYeah, and I I'm way off Twitter, so we ain't doing anything.
Caroline AimettiYeah, yep, us as well. Fabulous.
Todd BuonopaneYeah, you guys are such a joy. This was really fun. Thank you. So glad you for doing it.
Caroline AimettiOh, yes, you're the best. Thank you.
Conor PerkinsAll right, take care.
Caroline AimettiHave a good rest of the day. Have a good show.
Conor PerkinsThanks.
Caroline AimettiBye.
Conor PerkinsAlrighty. Well, that's gonna do it for us for this episode. Thank you so much for joining us, and thank you once again, Todd. Thank you, Todd.
Caroline AimettiThat was so much fun. What a delay.
Conor PerkinsIf you liked what you heard, please make sure that you hit follow or subscribe wherever you're listening to the podcast or watching it. Opt in for notifications on YouTube. And then this is that moment. Leave a written review, leave a comment, hit five stars, do whatever you need to do to help someone else find the podcast. And that could also be just hitting the share button and sending it to a friend. Go send this episode to somebody who you think should buy tickets for you to go see Frozen at Paper Mill for. That would be a great gift. Yeah.
Caroline AimettiThat would be a great holiday gift.
Conor PerkinsListen, last minute holiday gift, like just that no one would know as last minute.
Caroline AimettiAnd it's a gift of an experience, which I think is the best gift.
Conor PerkinsAgreed. Agreed. And this production is Broadway quality. Oh, soak so good. So good. So thank you for doing what you're doing to help spread the joy of Poor Unfortunate Podcast. Fun is a choice.
Caroline AimettiHaving fun is a choice.
Conor PerkinsSo choose to share Poor Unfortunate Podcast with some.
Caroline AimettiIt's fun, right? Yeah.
Conor PerkinsIt's fun.
Caroline AimettiWe're having fun. Um, we're also having a lot of fun over on our social media. You can follow us everywhere. We're @poorunfortunatepodcast on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Threads, Bluesky, all of those. Um, obviously, we are going to share more about our experience seeing the show because you need to see how they have absolutely decked out Paper Mill Playhouse. You need to see like the themed, like beverages, the merch, we're gonna show it all to you.
Conor PerkinsThe like Cocoa Shack outside.
Caroline AimettiCocoa Shack, I bought merch. Surprising nobody. Um, but yeah, we're gonna show all of that to you. So you should definitely catch that on our social media. And if you want even more Poor Unfortunate Podcast in your life, if this is maybe your first time listening or watching and you feel like we might be your people. People, we would love to meet you. So you can join either our private Facebook group or our Discord server, The Poor Unfortunate Fam. So that is where our listeners go to talk about the episodes, talk about Disney, connect about all of these other things that we're finding out we all have in common, whether it's theater, whether it's Bath and Body Works, reading, video games, we talk about all of it. And it's a great way for Conor and I to find out who's out there listening so that we can tailor the podcast to what you love. So please join. We would love, love, love to meet you.
Conor PerkinsIf you're looking for merch, we do have that available in the Poor Unfortunate Shop, poorunfortunate podcast.com/shop. And as I always say, it does take us a little bit of money to keep the podcast up and running and coming to you. We have a PayPal account linked in the episode description and in our website links. Truly, anything you have to spare goes a long way for us. It could be $1, $5, $10, it could be more than that. It could be a one-time donation, it could be a monthly donation. It all just goes right back into the podcast, helping us keep it free. And to all of our monthly donors, thank you. We would not be able to do this without you. Sending you all of the warm hugs.
Caroline AimettiYes.
Conor PerkinsAlrighty. So we will be back soon with another episode. I'm not saying what it is because every single time I say what it is, it's the holidays, right?
Caroline AimettiThe next one's a grab bag. You'll just have to stay tuned and follow us to find out.
Conor PerkinsExactly. Exactly. So until then, Beluga Sevruga!
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